benardoh 
ok,

6:23 PM
È so what is now the problem ?

6:23 PM
drunkenbatman 
pardon?

6:24 PM
benardoh 
well, you are asking about bump Networks

6:24 PM
drunkenbatman 
yes, i was

6:24 PM
È who are you?

6:24 PM
benardoh 
doesn't matter who I am

6:24 PM
È why are you asking Crystal in a matter

6:25 PM
È that she is not related to?

6:26 PM
È your email sounded like, you are warning her - if she would not answer it

6:27 PM
È why would you do such a thing ?

6:28 PM
drunkenbatman 
Um

6:28 PM
È She's entirely related

6:28 PM
È Crystal works at bumpnetworks, does she not?

6:28 PM
benardoh 
she is the owner

6:28 PM
drunkenbatman 
I was 'warning' her only in the sense that talking can only help at this point, her name will be in the story anyways

6:29 PM
È Right

6:29 PM
È And bumpnetworks is related to Maui-X, is it not?

6:29 PM
benardoh 
no

6:29 PM
È bumpnetworks is its own company

6:29 PM
drunkenbatman 
Sorry for the delay, I was pinging someone

6:29 PM
È They're related

6:30 PM
benardoh 
we did work for mxs before, but we did split up on the 1st of april

6:30 PM
drunkenbatman 
Is this Arben?

6:30 PM
benardoh 
yes

6:30 PM
drunkenbatman 
Pleasure, Arben

6:30 PM
benardoh 
hello

6:31 PM
drunkenbatman 
YouÊsplit up?

6:31 PM
benardoh 
yes

6:31 PM
drunkenbatman 
Arben, you can't work for both Maui-X and Bumpnetworks and not have them be related

6:31 PM
benardoh 
lol

6:31 PM
È who says I work for mxs

6:32 PM
drunkenbatman 
lol, and you're going to say you didn't develop CherryOS?

6:32 PM
È Arben, you worked for them -- if you're saying you quit...

6:33 PM
È Who is David Watson?

6:33 PM
benardoh 
bump is its own company, and has nothing to do with mxs in company relations, bump just did work on their site

6:33 PM
È who is David Watson ?

6:33 PM
È I don't know -

6:33 PM
drunkenbatman 
Or Joseph Denne?

6:34 PM
È Sorry Arben, they were related

6:34 PM
benardoh 
all new names to me,

6:34 PM
È don't try to play games here

6:34 PM
drunkenbatman 
I'm really not 

6:34 PM
benardoh 
I would not contact you to do so

6:34 PM
drunkenbatman 
I'm writing a story

6:34 PM
È as far as I'm concerned, every name I've come across is going to be laid down, and as many dots as can be connected will be

6:34 PM
benardoh 
I just a call from crystal saying that you guys did scare her with certain remarks

6:35 PM
È but again, who is David and Joseph ?

6:35 PM
drunkenbatman 
Her name is going to be in it -- you aren't being straight

6:35 PM
È Part of my research on the vx30 project

6:35 PM
benardoh 
hey, mr drunken batman

6:36 PM
È be careful, not to write the wrong stuff about people

6:36 PM
È even if you think you are right

6:36 PM
drunkenbatman 
Really? Because you've been so forthcoming?

6:36 PM
benardoh 
did you see me talk

6:36 PM
drunkenbatman 
Which is why I said it was in your best interest to really talk

6:36 PM
benardoh 
did you see one article where I talked

6:36 PM
drunkenbatman 
I wanted to talk to Crystal, because it was going to be her name -- I'd also be happy to talk to you

6:36 PM
È Arben, are you high? You talked in lots of interviews

6:37 PM
È Come. On.

6:37 PM
benardoh 
in october

6:37 PM
È none recently

6:37 PM
È the reason beeing that this is to much drama for me

6:37 PM
È and I don't want to be part in it, since the beginning

6:37 PM
drunkenbatman 
It's only going to get worse ÊI'm just being honest with you

6:37 PM
È This isn't a story that can be outrun like this anymore

6:38 PM
benardoh 
so could you give me one example why crystal is in this story ?

6:40 PM
drunkenbatman 
Have you given me a credible reason for why she shouldn't?

6:41 PM
È No one there is willing to really come clean about anything

6:41 PM
benardoh 
because she is a web designer that had nothing to do with this company in any possible matter

6:41 PM
drunkenbatman 
You work for bumpnetworks, Arben

6:41 PM
È If not more

6:41 PM
benardoh 
so when I see that you guys put her into stories

6:42 PM
È it shows me that you guys are just out for public attention, to get more credit for your own site

6:42 PM
È because if you did your homework

6:42 PM
È you would know that she is just my girl

6:42 PM
È and not more

6:42 PM
drunkenbatman 
My site has all the credit it needs, Arben

6:42 PM
benardoh 
so that would be me talking about your girl

6:42 PM
drunkenbatman 
And I don't think you really realize how far this has gone

6:43 PM
È One of us is trying to manipulate the other, and it's not me

6:43 PM
benardoh 
manipulate

6:43 PM
drunkenbatman 
I'm telling you -- this story is going to go out

6:43 PM
benardoh 
fine

6:43 PM
drunkenbatman 
It's in your best interest to just stop and get it down

6:43 PM
È How long as you going to try to outrun it?

6:44 PM
È The vx30 stuff hasn't even hit yet

6:44 PM
benardoh 
I am not outrunning anything

6:44 PM
È my reputation is already destroyed

6:44 PM
È and so how are you trying to make me feel better

6:44 PM
È oh put it down

6:44 PM
drunkenbatman 
?

6:44 PM
È Arben

6:45 PM
È Look, the story is going to get written. I know how it's gone with you before, where you talk to someone doing a story and tell them what you want to say and then pretty much ignore the other questions

6:46 PM
benardoh 
yeah right

6:46 PM
È maybe thats how people put it into the story

6:46 PM
drunkenbatman 
I've talked to the reporters, Arben -- not just you, but Kartes, also

6:46 PM
È They're all going in

6:46 PM
È Every employee I've been able to find and research

6:46 PM
benardoh 
and then

6:46 PM
drunkenbatman 
Your friends, even some from Crystal's website to back track to Texas and other places

6:47 PM
È It's not a threat, Arben

6:47 PM
È You've just tried to outrun the story -- you can take this and try to cover your tracks better

6:47 PM
È But it's not going to slink away this time, sorry

6:48 PM
benardoh 
very slick

6:49 PM
drunkenbatman 
how's that?

6:50 PM
È *shrugs* The story is going to get written, and I'm assuming you read the last one I did -- this will be that, but laying out as much as I've been able to learn about everyone involved with Maui X-Stream and their products

6:51 PM
È You can talk, for realÊand get what's real down or just keep running

6:51 PM
È one moment

6:54 PM
benardoh 
sorry, had a phone call

6:54 PM
È what is your real name?

6:54 PM
drunkenbatman 
Michael

6:54 PM
benardoh 
Michael who?

6:55 PM
drunkenbatman 
that's all I go by online, Arben

6:55 PM
È Why do you ask?

6:56 PM
benardoh 
well, you know my name .. and all these other names, and if you are willing to have a one on one conversation, you should at least tell me your name

6:57 PM
drunkenbatman 
My name is Michael Bell, Arben

6:57 PM
benardoh 
Ok, Mr Bell

6:57 PM
È very nice to meet you

6:57 PM
È I understand that your interest is to uncover the truth

6:57 PM
È and to make it available to the public

6:57 PM
È that is your dedication

6:57 PM
È and I honor that

6:58 PM
drunkenbatman 
Are you going to give me the truth?

6:58 PM
benardoh 
but when you threaten me and my wife

6:58 PM
drunkenbatman 
I never threatened you, Arben, nor your wife

6:58 PM
benardoh 
that makes me believe that you interest is not the truth

6:58 PM
drunkenbatman 
And my contacts at EWeek and others can vouch for that

6:59 PM
È Drop it, Arben

6:59 PM
benardoh 
as you know and I know

6:59 PM
drunkenbatman 
I'm just telling you how it is

6:59 PM
benardoh 
comsdev worked on cherryos

7:00 PM
È and that I had the great idea to make it faster better and different, but they delivered not the expected, just cashed in

7:00 PM
drunkenbatman 
?

7:01 PM
È Is CherryOS PearPC and other projects?

7:01 PM
benardoh 
that is my mistake, and I am trying to solve the issue which is showing itself to be the biggest challenge

7:01 PM
È because

7:01 PM
È I don't even have the src

7:01 PM
È so, how can I know if it is or not

7:01 PM
È thats what I told daniel too

7:02 PM
drunkenbatman 
You're telling me

7:02 PM
È You hired comsdev to create CherryOS

7:02 PM
benardoh 
yes

7:02 PM
drunkenbatman 
and theyÊnever gave you the source and theyÊmay have used other projects?

7:02 PM
benardoh 
see, this is my problem .. and thats why me or Jim are not able to know it

7:03 PM
È I have not the src, they tell me they wrote it from sratch

7:03 PM
È and not I am loosing my mind .. scared with the factor that probably ..

7:03 PM
È they are not right but all the other screaming people

7:04 PM
drunkenbatman 
Arben

7:04 PM
benardoh 
i know, you just believe what you want to believe

7:04 PM
È thats ok

7:04 PM
drunkenbatman 
I have the e-lance records

7:04 PM
benardoh 
seems like everyone out there is that way

7:04 PM
È yes, you have the lance record, or mxs and bumpnetworks

7:05 PM
È bumpnetworks started it

7:05 PM
drunkenbatman 
You were already providing them source

7:05 PM
benardoh 
mxs paid more

7:05 PM
È that was a typo, what I ment is the script

7:05 PM
drunkenbatman 
the script?

7:05 PM
benardoh 
not source, script like .. what needs to be achieved

7:06 PM
È actually, it even says so in the project

7:06 PM
È script

7:06 PM
È not source

7:06 PM
È that just was a translation error, .. trying to make understand what I was looking for

7:06 PM
drunkenbatman 
And what about vx30?

7:07 PM
benardoh 
Michael

7:07 PM
È vx30 got developed for 2.5 years

7:07 PM
È I can give you the source if you like ..

7:07 PM
drunkenbatman 
Sure

7:07 PM
benardoh 
this has nothing to do with cherryos

7:07 PM
drunkenbatman 
You were involved with vx30, weren't you? 'invented' it?

7:08 PM
benardoh 
we needed a playerless system for mauionline.com

7:08 PM
È thats how vx30 came to be

7:08 PM
È I looked into all possible options

7:08 PM
È clipstream was one, but they had a choppy picture

7:09 PM
È so I started working on a solution that uses a beter quality

7:09 PM
È step by step

7:09 PM
drunkenbatman 
You have the source to this one Arben, you just said so

7:09 PM
benardoh 
the encoder alone took 2 years to develop

7:09 PM
drunkenbatman 
Are you saying there isn't anyone else's code in vx30?

7:09 PM
benardoh 
yes, I have the source

7:10 PM
drunkenbatman 
Since you have the source, I would like to take you up on your offer -- I can promise it wouldn't be made commercially available, just validated

7:10 PM
benardoh 
who do you think owns the source, me?

7:10 PM
È nope

7:11 PM
È I am just a programmer michael, webdesigner and project manager

7:11 PM
drunkenbatman 
You just said "I can give you the source if you like..."

7:11 PM
benardoh 
working for jim kartes

7:11 PM
È he would sue me for doing that

7:11 PM
drunkenbatman 
Is there anyone else's code in vx30, Arben?

7:12 PM
benardoh 
we had 2 companies working on new functionalities for the encoder

7:12 PM
È so I am looking into that issue since last wednesday

7:12 PM
È not comsdev

7:12 PM
drunkenbatman 
I thought you said you were no longer working for Kartes?

7:12 PM
benardoh 
well

7:12 PM
È he is on my case

7:13 PM
drunkenbatman 
Are you no longer an employee of Maui X-Stream?

7:13 PM
benardoh 
so I have to clear up what is going on, otherwise I will have his lawyers on my neck

7:14 PM
È I don't know if you could call that employed ..

7:14 PM
drunkenbatman 
Ok, then what happened April 1st?

7:15 PM
benardoh 
Bump Networks, moved to a different office location, that way it has no influence of MXS, and crystal is the owner of the company

7:15 PM
È the reason beeing

7:15 PM
È that bump networks needed to do their own decissions

7:15 PM
È unrelated to mxs

7:16 PM
drunkenbatman 
You're saying Crystal was not the owner before?

7:16 PM
benardoh 
she was, I did ask her to join forces and maybe we could do videostraming and webservices, as a combined package

7:16 PM
È but that didn't work out

7:17 PM
drunkenbatman 
*nods*

7:17 PM
È Ok, Arben, outside of the two companies who were working on the encoder, is anyone else's code going to show up in vx30?

7:17 PM
benardoh 
not from any code that I created in vx30

7:19 PM
drunkenbatman 
If you had the project done by someone else, why did you tell people you had coded it from scratch yourself?

7:19 PM
È Why did Kartes say the same?

7:19 PM
benardoh 
marketing .. ( not mine )

7:19 PM
drunkenbatman 
Ok

7:19 PM
È If you do not have the source at all

7:20 PM
È How are you going to offer it as an open source project?

7:20 PM
È And if you dont' even know if it has code that may be under other's copyright, how can you say you'll offer it under another license you are creating?

7:20 PM
benardoh 
we are going to start an open source project, and I am writing the c++ GUI for it, and will help as a developer in the project

7:21 PM
È Michael, I don't know ..

7:21 PM
È I mean, at the same time .. who wants CherryOS anyway ..

7:21 PM
drunkenbatman 
You mean you will not be using the CherryOS code that was offered before?

7:22 PM
benardoh 
when I don't have the code, how am I supposed to offer it ?

7:22 PM
drunkenbatman 
Then why has Maui-X said they will? They've told reporters

7:23 PM
È Like my friend Ian at EWeek

7:23 PM
benardoh 
I have to, so it is up to my challenge to have the code available on the 1st of May

7:23 PM
drunkenbatman 
Just be straight with me

7:23 PM
benardoh 
otherwise I get my head chopped by J.K.

7:23 PM
drunkenbatman 
This is where I'm getting confused, Arben

7:24 PM
È You say you aren't working for J.K. anymore, yet you are somehow going to deliver an open source emulator under a different license by the 1st of May?

7:24 PM
benardoh 
michael,

7:24 PM
drunkenbatman 
J.K. is going to be in the story, too Êtrust me

7:24 PM
benardoh 
I bet

7:25 PM
È I am supposed to finish that up, to not have any obligations with mxs

7:25 PM
drunkenbatman 
There is stuff going on here you aren't saying, obviously -- the situation that exists between the group of you

7:26 PM
benardoh 
it is not as complicated as you think it is ..

7:26 PM
È very simple streight forward

7:27 PM
drunkenbatman 
Well, it's not quite that simple, Arben -- remember you are inÊthe situation

7:27 PM
benardoh 
well

7:27 PM
drunkenbatman 
You know your conversations with Mr. Kartes

7:27 PM
È We don't

7:27 PM
benardoh 
I didn't say it is simple for me

7:27 PM
È at all

7:27 PM
È I wish I could turn back time

7:27 PM
È yes

7:27 PM
drunkenbatman 
What I know is what I can infer

7:27 PM
benardoh 
but that is not an option

7:28 PM
drunkenbatman 
Why did evidence keep disappearing from the builds, Arben?

7:28 PM
È Someone decided to suddenly start 'packing' the CherryOS executables

7:28 PM
benardoh 
look at the setup.ex

7:28 PM
È you are asking the wrong guy that quesiton

7:29 PM
drunkenbatman 
Someone started obfuscating the code

7:29 PM
È And the config files...

7:29 PM
È Who should I ask?

7:29 PM
benardoh 
yep

7:30 PM
È not me

7:30 PM
drunkenbatman 
You're saying that yes, someone started doing those things, but that you know nothing of it?

7:30 PM
È Who was responsible for doing it, Arben?

7:30 PM
benardoh 
where did the setup.exe come from ?

7:31 PM
È so if I don't have the code

7:31 PM
È how am I supposed to do anything with it ?

7:31 PM
drunkenbatman 
So you're daying

7:31 PM
benardoh 
daying ?

7:31 PM
drunkenbatman 
typo

7:31 PM
È saying*

7:31 PM
È You're saying that programmers across the world have access to your servers, your production servers

7:31 PM
È took it upon themselves to watch the news and look at evidence in the forums

7:32 PM
È started obfuscating all the code that they could, then put new builds online, and you were unaware?

7:32 PM
È Arben 

7:32 PM
benardoh 
see this shows the reporter in you

7:32 PM
È I didn't do that

7:32 PM
drunkenbatman 
what do you mean?

7:33 PM
È You're saying you had no control

7:33 PM
benardoh 
how could I ?

7:33 PM
drunkenbatman 
Did you tell them to remove the code?

7:33 PM
benardoh 
what?

7:34 PM
È ÊI am not even aware if they did it .. / basically catched inbetween two fronts

7:34 PM
drunkenbatman 
Someone was? Who would be?

7:34 PM
È Someone started changing CherryOS, Arben

7:35 PM
benardoh 
what are you trying to achieve here ?

7:35 PM
drunkenbatman 
The executable got smaller, and evidence disappeared -- and someone started 'packing' the build to try to fool a binary comparison

7:35 PM
benardoh 
you think I know the answers

7:35 PM
drunkenbatman 
Somehow, that got online

7:35 PM
benardoh 
you are wrong

7:35 PM
drunkenbatman 
Who does? Who was responsible for taking care of that?

7:35 PM
È Is there another programmer? Kartes?

7:35 PM
benardoh 
lol

7:35 PM
È I was responsible for the project

7:36 PM
È yes

7:36 PM
È but I was not in controll

7:36 PM
È how could I

7:36 PM
drunkenbatman 
Arben, there is a gap here I'm trying to fill

7:36 PM
benardoh 
all I saw was the evidence pear was showing, going back to comsdev..... saying is this true

7:37 PM
drunkenbatman 
You say you didn't have the source, that the programmers left you high and dry

7:37 PM
È but somehow, new builds kept going online

7:37 PM
È Every day

7:37 PM
benardoh 
they say no, at the same time builds got created to ("fix bugs ") Ê.. which then went live

7:37 PM
drunkenbatman 
Ah, I see

7:38 PM
È If I talk to comsdev, will they say the same?

7:39 PM
benardoh 
me and them are not in contact anymore, for a very good reason

7:39 PM
È so I don't know what they will say

7:39 PM
È and at the moment, knowing them

7:39 PM
È I don't care anymore

7:39 PM
drunkenbatman 
Why do you say that?

7:40 PM
benardoh 
well, .. how would you feel if somone took your money, freely .. and then hits you with a knife, at the least expected moment

7:40 PM
drunkenbatman 
*nods*

7:41 PM
È May I know the names of the two companies who worked on the encoder portion of vx30?

7:42 PM
benardoh 
hm, 1 doesn't exist anymore

7:42 PM
drunkenbatman 
What was its name?

7:42 PM
benardoh 
and the other one ... if I see that what people are saying is true, you can have it

7:43 PM
drunkenbatman 
It isn't that difficult to check for yourself, Arben

7:44 PM
benardoh 
I don't have the sources for that sdk

7:44 PM
È sam @#$@ problem

7:44 PM
drunkenbatman 
You don't have the source for vx30?

7:44 PM
benardoh 
no, not the complet application...

7:45 PM
È the sdk that is effected

7:45 PM
drunkenbatman 
Who has all of the source?

7:46 PM
benardoh 
all ?

7:46 PM
drunkenbatman 
all, yes

7:46 PM
È 100% of the source code to compile the application

7:47 PM
benardoh 
I have it

7:48 PM
drunkenbatman 
Well, the three parts

7:48 PM
È If you have all of the source code

7:48 PM
È Surely you can do a search?

7:49 PM
benardoh 
I did

7:49 PM
È and there is nothing in my application

7:50 PM
drunkenbatman 
Then why if I take a binary of vx30, which I have, which is much harder to find matches in, can I find matches to other products?

7:51 PM
benardoh 
well, I saw the posts too michael

7:51 PM
drunkenbatman 
No, I've actually done it

7:51 PM
benardoh 
did you do the searches youself ?

7:51 PM
drunkenbatman 
Yes

7:52 PM
È Which is why we're having the conversation

7:52 PM
È Just as I did with CherryOS

7:52 PM
È People are going to post the vx30 binary live eventually, and tell them how to find the code themselves

7:53 PM
È It won't just be a select few

7:53 PM
È And it isn't really possible for them to injectÊthose things into a vx30 binary unless they were there, I'm sure you're aware of that

8:00 PM
drunkenbatman 
All you need to do is search for mplayer

8:01 PM
È Or even just XviD

8:02 PM
È Would you like me to wait?

8:05 PM
benardoh 
are you saying mplayer or xvid was used in the vx30 products ?

8:05 PM
drunkenbatman 
Are you saying you can't find references to them in the source? 

8:05 PM
benardoh 
correct

8:06 PM
drunkenbatman 
It certainly does look as though they were, yes

8:06 PM
benardoh 
could you send me the evidence ?

8:06 PM
drunkenbatman 
http://www.tliquest.net/ryan/cherryos/vx30/analysis/

8:06 PM
È I've just searched the binary given to me for what's there

8:07 PM
È Here is the problem, Arben

8:07 PM
È You said the same thing about CherryOS, as did Kartes -- that the evidence being talked about wasn't real

8:07 PM
È When people like myself, and researchers, could take the build, not the source, and compare them and find them

8:08 PM
È You could have easily looked at the examples on my site and compared them to the binariesÊof CherryOS you had, even if you didn't have the source, and still seen them

8:09 PM
benardoh 
strange loop

8:09 PM
drunkenbatman 
strange loop?

8:10 PM
benardoh 
well, michael .. I am already on the ground .. Êpresonally .. based on all the emails, and business issues

8:10 PM
È so what I see here is that the community wants an appologie

8:10 PM
È same as you

8:10 PM
È and more

8:11 PM
drunkenbatman 
Arben, they want you to be straight

8:11 PM
È Can you really tell me you can't find the strings I gave you in the source?

8:12 PM
È Otherwise this is all just going to repeat itself

8:13 PM
benardoh 
so you are saying vx30 is not original, and has other opensource software that it uses ?

8:13 PM
drunkenbatman 
it certainly looks as though there's extremely strong evidence for that, doesn't it?

8:13 PM
È Arben, here is the problem

8:13 PM
È You just told me you couldn't find the strings I gave you

8:14 PM
benardoh 
correct

8:14 PM
drunkenbatman 
mplayer, xvid

8:14 PM
È eventually, a binary of vx30 is going to go up for anyone to download, you know that as well as I

8:14 PM
È And everyone is going to wonder why they can duplicate the evidence

8:14 PM
È Yet you can't when youÊhave the source code

8:15 PM
È You claimed the same thing with CherryOS, that everyone had it wrong, yet people could download it, test it for themselves

8:16 PM
È You're saying you haven't even done that

8:16 PM
È Otherwise youÊcould see it even if you don't have the source

8:17 PM
È Just by looking at the evidence that was posted, right?l

8:17 PM
È So one last time, we can forget the last part of the conversation happened -- can you really not find the strings I gave you in the source you say you have?

8:18 PM
benardoh 
mplayer and xvid, 0 found

8:18 PM
drunkenbatman 
http://www.tliquest.net/ryan/cherryos/vx30/analysis/xvidcopyright-sm.jpg

8:18 PM
È How doÊyou explain that then?

8:18 PM
benardoh 
I don't know

8:19 PM
drunkenbatman 
Ok

8:19 PM
benardoh 
how did he create the dump ?

8:19 PM
drunkenbatman 
It's a memory dump

8:20 PM
È An application has to load itself into RAM to run

8:20 PM
È Anyways

8:20 PM
benardoh 
hm

8:20 PM
drunkenbatman 
You should know this 

8:20 PM
benardoh 
so if other applications are running, they would apear there too

8:20 PM
È you said you did the same test

8:20 PM
drunkenbatman 
No, Arben

8:20 PM
benardoh 
did you have the same results ?

8:21 PM
drunkenbatman 
They would not. It is a memory dump for that application -- the OS knows what is in each apps memory space, that is how it keeps things from crashing -- apps can't touch each other's memory

8:21 PM
È Yes, Arben, just like I did with CherryOS, and just as you can

8:22 PM
È Arben, have you checked the CherryOS executable for the evidence that was posted?

8:22 PM
benardoh 
I was forwarding that to comsdev, asking for explaination

8:23 PM
drunkenbatman 
*nods* But did you actually check for yourself to see if it was there?

8:23 PM
benardoh 
nope

8:23 PM
drunkenbatman 
Ok

8:23 PM
È You still could, yes?

8:23 PM
benardoh 
I should

8:23 PM
È specially now

8:23 PM
È to scared of the outcome ..

8:24 PM
drunkenbatman 
It's probably a good idea

8:24 PM
È Well, I'll tell you what Arben

8:24 PM
È I'm going to be working on this for the next few days

8:25 PM
È So if you are able to find anything or would like to add something -- if something comes to mind that is important, you know how to find me here or via email, yes?

8:25 PM
benardoh 
sure, same for you .. msg me

8:25 PM
È can you find the section

8:25 PM
È where you found the mplayer string and xvid ?

8:26 PM
drunkenbatman 
I don't have the source code Arben

8:26 PM
benardoh 
well it is not in the source I use michael

8:26 PM
drunkenbatman 
But if you have the binary

8:26 PM
benardoh 
but as I say, I have 2 sdks that are connected

8:26 PM
drunkenbatman 
You have two SDKs that are connected?

8:27 PM
benardoh 
are used

8:27 PM
drunkenbatman 
You're saying there is another set of source somewhere else?

8:27 PM
benardoh 
yes, and to me it is important to find out if the comparison is happening based on those, because they where outsourced

8:28 PM
drunkenbatman 
Well

8:28 PM
È You have the build of your software that is on your website and available for download, yes?

8:28 PM
benardoh 
yes

8:28 PM
drunkenbatman 
Which is what we are all working on

8:29 PM
benardoh 
I will try to find the strings in that bulild right now, going through the same steps, then also a build that is not using those sdks, and see if they appear.

8:29 PM
È that would clear it up very fast.

8:30 PM
drunkenbatman 
Great

8:30 PM
benardoh 
what if they are in the sdk

8:30 PM
È what do I do then ?

8:30 PM
drunkenbatman 
You mean if they are in the outsourced code?

8:30 PM
benardoh 
yes

8:31 PM
drunkenbatman 
Well, I'd hope you'd let me know via email so as not to repeat what happened with CherryOS

8:32 PM
È If they are, and you say one thing and everyone else sees another, that won't be good will it? Even if admitting that it's in there is hard

8:32 PM
benardoh 
ok, but then what ?

8:32 PM
drunkenbatman 
What do you mean?

8:33 PM
benardoh 
well, if the sdks include gpled software or code, do I have to remove them or replace the sdk or .. what actions would be correct ?

8:34 PM
È email . to you ? and then ?

8:35 PM
drunkenbatman 
Well, I think you'd probably need to look at the GPL?

8:35 PM
È I think (and this is honest) the worst thing you could do would be to just straight remove them

8:36 PM
È That hasn't helped with CherryOS, but that is your decision not mine

8:37 PM
È If the other source includes GPL'd code, I'll say exactly what you told me

8:38 PM
È That you couldn't find it originally, but in checking the binary and the other source code, you found it and emailed and told me

8:39 PM
È At any rate, could you send me an email to i =a t= drunkenblog =d ot = comÊso I have your contact info?

8:40 PM
benardoh 
ok

8:40 PM
È big mess, sorry

8:40 PM
drunkenbatman 
It's OK

8:40 PM
È I appreciate your time

8:40 PM
benardoh 
thank you for listening

8:41 PM
È you said, I should tell you when I find it

8:42 PM
È how will that effect the software ?

8:42 PM
drunkenbatman 
So, just to be clear -- you'll email me when we're done here so I have your info... and I'll hopefully hear from you in the next few days one way or the other on whether you were able to find anything in either the CherryOS build, the vx30 build, or the other version of the source?

8:42 PM
È how will it effect the software?

8:43 PM
benardoh 
well, the software has not markte potential anymore .. anyway ..

8:43 PM
È flash kicked vx30s butt

8:43 PM
È so it doesn't really matter

8:44 PM
È and since I left mxs, .. there will be nothing to do anyway

8:44 PM
È my contact info is sent

8:44 PM
drunkenbatman 
Well, even if it did harm the software as being viable Arben, which it very well could, it isn't as though it would be worse than the alternative

8:46 PM
È Seriously -- the story won't go away now, I doubt Maui-X wants to repeat everything with CherryOS, as this time the reporters will be going to the clients asking questions Ê

8:46 PM
benardoh 
they already are,

8:46 PM
È we just had clients calling us last week and today

8:46 PM
drunkenbatman 
*nods*

8:47 PM
È About vx30?

8:47 PM
benardoh 
for bumpnetworks

8:47 PM
È not even vx30

8:47 PM
drunkenbatman 
*nods*

8:47 PM
È What email address will your contact info be coming from?

8:47 PM
benardoh 
arben@kryeziu.com

8:48 PM
drunkenbatman 
Ok, great. ÊJust hadn't come yet, and wanted to be on the lookout for it

8:50 PM
È Got your contact info, thanks

8:50 PM
benardoh 
you are welcome, I will keep you informed

8:50 PM
drunkenbatman 
And I"ll hopefully hear from you in the next few days?

8:50 PM
È Great, thanks for your time Arben

8:50 PM
benardoh 
definetly

8:50 PM
È you are very welcome

8:50 PM
È please

8:51 PM
È don't play any story games michael, lets keep it streight

8:51 PM
drunkenbatman 
that's what I'm doing, Arben

8:51 PM
benardoh 
thanks

8:51 PM
drunkenbatman 
I will say

8:52 PM
È I'm not going to doctor your words, or anything like that while writing my story, I'll let people make up their minds, but I've already explained how it'll look if you haven't checked the CherryOS binary yourself

8:53 PM
È Or how people will be very confused by being able to download vx30 and see things you can't with the source...

8:53 PM
È So, no games on your end either ÊOne way or another, do contact me in the next few days as I will have to run my story

8:54 PM
benardoh 
no games

8:54 PM
drunkenbatman 
Great

8:54 PM
benardoh 
and if I took the phone, when daniel f. called .. and not john .. I would have never told him .. to get lawyers ..

8:54 PM
È why do you think was cherryos put on hold

8:55 PM
drunkenbatman 
I don't know, there wasn't an explanation

8:55 PM
benardoh 
because I walked out of the office, saying that all the decissions made hadn't included me .. in every aspect ..

8:55 PM
È same think, with the license ..

8:55 PM
È @#$@# me off

8:56 PM
drunkenbatman 
Who made the decision?

8:56 PM
benardoh 
from Gnu to .. self made .. wtf

8:56 PM
drunkenbatman 
It did seem a little out there

8:56 PM
benardoh 
jim

8:56 PM
È so on our site we now have a gnu, and jim says .. oh .. we will have our own license ..

8:56 PM
È crazy

8:57 PM
drunkenbatman 
lol

8:57 PM
È Yes, Êyou can see where a bit of a hole is being dug

8:57 PM
È Which is why, at this point, my recommendation that you talk -- really talk -- really isn't a threat

8:58 PM
benardoh 
i didn't talk to anyone .. since the release other than daniel

8:58 PM
drunkenbatman 
Why has Jim approached things as he has?

9:00 PM
benardoh 
don't know .. really

9:00 PM
È he never asked me

9:01 PM
drunkenbatman 
lol

9:01 PM
È Is he Ênot worried at all?

9:02 PM
È Not to take up too much of your time, but does he really expect you to have an open source cherryos powerpc emulator up by may 1st?

9:02 PM
benardoh 
on the phone, one sec

9:02 PM
drunkenbatman 
Take your time

9:03 PM
benardoh 
ok

9:03 PM
È back

9:04 PM
È if not I have to deal with legal actions from him,

9:04 PM
È and to be honest

9:04 PM
drunkenbatman 
He's holding you responsible for everything?

9:04 PM
benardoh 
he has the money to put me anywhere

9:04 PM
È and I don't have such a budget to have a lawyer representing me

9:05 PM
drunkenbatman 
You have the porsche, right? 

9:05 PM
benardoh 
well, yes... even so he is not listening to my issues, and recomendations

9:05 PM
È that porsche is his

9:05 PM
drunkenbatman 
Aahhhhh

9:05 PM
benardoh 
I just drive it as a salary increase ..

9:05 PM
È I wish it was mine

9:05 PM
È wew....

9:06 PM
drunkenbatman 


9:06 PM
È I feel for your situation, sounds like everyone is in over their heads

9:06 PM
benardoh 
pretty much .. so all the messy reactions you can see on your end

9:06 PM
È are the result of a messy envoirment

9:07 PM
drunkenbatman 
Well, I can promise this won't be all about you

9:07 PM
benardoh 
ah .. I feel responsible michael .., as crystal tells me I am my own hellmaker

9:08 PM
drunkenbatman 
there's generally responsibility to go around in cases like this 

9:09 PM
benardoh 
yeah.. but even when you point it around, the whole round will point back to me .. that is what will happen

9:09 PM
È sorry for my english

9:09 PM
drunkenbatman 
Straight up Arben -- when it comes down to it

9:10 PM
È The worst thing for the situation would be my story going out without talking to you or crystal

9:11 PM
È The second worst would be it going up and you not being able to find things in the CherryOS executable because you hadn't checked, nor the vx30, etc. when others were

9:11 PM
È Things catch up eventually

9:12 PM
benardoh 
yep, they always do

9:12 PM
È one way or another

9:12 PM
drunkenbatman 
There are worse things than getting everything out and taking a step towards moving on, ya know?

9:13 PM
benardoh 
yep, like having cancer or losing someone

9:13 PM
drunkenbatman 
There's that

9:13 PM
È But I specifically meant

9:14 PM
È Out of the three different paths I gave for where you can go from here, long term the one you're taking will probably save some grief, dont' you think?

9:15 PM
benardoh 
yes .. the streight way always shows to be the better one

9:15 PM
drunkenbatman 
The story going out will be better for you since you talked, and will be better once you do some investigating, that's all I meant

9:16 PM
benardoh 
we will see, ... to many haters out there, so I don't know .. what will happen, but a sinking boat can't be sunk twice

9:19 PM
È please, the last update for the encoder was posted today - changing the container output from two containers to one container as the streaming source for vx30

9:19 PM
È because we experienced a big trouble with msjvm with our two seperate container solution

9:19 PM
È just letting you know

9:21 PM
drunkenbatman 
that's not going to go well

9:21 PM
È but I'm sure you can understand why

9:21 PM
benardoh 
I know, all I am saying is that that has been changed and I am letting you know why

9:22 PM
drunkenbatman 
I know, I appreciate it 

9:23 PM
benardoh 
msjvm doesn't allow multiple connections so it would stall the stream, this bug has been solved now with the one container solution, where the video and audio are muliplexed

9:23 PM
drunkenbatman 
is this a bug you solved, or the other company did?

9:23 PM
benardoh 
I did

9:24 PM
drunkenbatman 
Arben

9:24 PM
benardoh 
I am supposed to finish all the bugs and prepare the cherryos open source page

9:24 PM
È till the endo of this month, as an agreement

9:24 PM
drunkenbatman 
Ok, as long as you're keeping in mind that the other builds are out there and won't go away?

9:25 PM
benardoh 
I know, all I am saying is that this has happend today - ( this morning ), so you are aware of it, and don't think I am playing games

9:26 PM
drunkenbatman 
Cool, thank you for telling me

9:26 PM
benardoh 
I will do all the research today and tomorrow on the evidences posted, and then write you an official email.

9:26 PM
È stating what I see

9:27 PM
drunkenbatman 
Just saying, when you look in the next few days, at both the CherryOS build (the links are all on my site for CherryOS) and vx30, you should look reallyÊhard

9:27 PM
È and ifÊfor some reason the stuff happens to be missing from the build that just went up, you should look at the last few backups Êthat's all

9:27 PM
È great, we can leave it at that. 

9:27 PM
benardoh 
ok, thanks

9:28 PM
drunkenbatman 
we'll talk again Êdoor is always open

9:28 PM
benardoh 
same here

9:28 PM
drunkenbatman 
you have a good night, Arben, and thanks again for your time

9:28 PM
benardoh 
you are welcome, night